看了BBC Are Our Kids Tough Enough? Chinese School 第一集的感受

看到大家很多评论,我也来说下我的个人感受。

先从我个人背景说起。我来自上海。小学和中学都是在上海读的,然后06年高二结束来到英国,读了大学预科,本科,硕士和博士。今年9月将在London一所Outstanding的女子中学接受QTS的training,secondary Maths.

第一点, 从教室纪律说起。我去过很多secondary school,有outstand, good和require improvement。就第一集里面的现象,绝对没有任何夸张的地方。就算在Outstanding的学校,这些bad behavior对于Year9的学生也是【相当正常】的。

我想强调的是,有些人说其实是老师教育方法不好,学生不明白,所以纪律不好。我同意这个观点。但是这不是全部。就算老师再好,总有开小差的,和lose attention的。

第二点, 关于记笔记的问题。我昨天听了那个校长的comment,觉得非常气愤。他的judgement太有偏见。因为我是学/教数学的,就从数学说起吧。大家想想,有多少同学是记笔记的?老师先讲一遍,介绍和推到公式,给出例子,然后就我们自己开始练习了。大部分学生都是这么学的,不然要有notebook干啥?

当然,不记笔记也有学得很好的,比如我自己,从来不记笔记的,上课偏向于听。这些都和每个人的learning method有关。那一节Science课,其实是有学生很喜欢的。虽然采访了只有两个,但不代表没有别的学生也喜欢这种“填鸭式”的教育。说不定时间一长,慢慢也就习惯了。才1周,其实看到的真的都是很片面的。

校长最后还说了,不认为老师在前面上课,学生记笔记这种方法是不对的,that a teacher standing at the front, talking at children, loads of notes, ……,it does sit right on any level.然后我就怒了,你是不是没有上过大学????大学里面lecture很多都是这种形式的啊。

校长喜欢早操,以后让他去领操吧?这点倒是和中国校领导很像?

英国老师都知道,Teachers’ Standards里面第五条,要求每个老师针对不同学生,都有不同的教学方法。这就是后面他们英国老师说的”tailor to the needs of our particular groups”。这你想想,30人的班级,教学所以就慢下来了嘛。。。

第三点, 一天的学习时间。第一集里面,说我们的school day是12小时。我觉得有点歧义。就我的经验,初中和高中都是私立学校,而且我住校。所以对于我来说,这个是远远大于12小时的。但是正常的公立学校,我觉得应该没有那么长吧?一般也就9点到18点,9个小时?

这个我觉得可能是和这5个老师来的学校有关?可能他们来的学校也是私立的住宿的?我有点惊讶。如果他们真的想体验Traditional的Chinese teaching这个有点夸张了。我觉得更实际的是,把教科书弄便宜点,每人一本,布置预习。

其实因为现在也有放了一集,很多事情也说不清。但是我也参加了很多这方面的会议,有讨论UK-Shanghai在数学教学方面的问题。但是有一点是清楚的,英国承认他们数学很弱,他们想要提高数学成绩,要我们这样的result。但是不能接受我们的Method。Well what’s more to say?

第一集里面有个问题叫: What’s trigonometry for? 还有 I get what you do, but not why. 其实问题很明显,就是英国到底要什么?用他们自己的话来说:Teaching for result or teaching for mastery?

最后帮这些老师说一句,他们是和BBC有协议的。必须用【中国式】教学方法,所以对于在英国教室里发生的这些事,我个人觉得,【完全】都是【意料之中】。

题外话:Science和Mandarin老师说是有在英国教学的experience,我觉得他们的表现就显得比较一般了。既然有【英国】教学的experience,就应该有心里准备,完全不应该表现出来很surprise的样子。这一点不知道是BBC剪辑的问题,还是故意拍摄成这样的。

附上英国的The Teachers’ Standards



The Teachers’ Standards

Preamble

Teachers make the education of their pupils their first concern, and are accountable for achieving the highest possible standards in work and conduct.  Teachers act with honesty and integrity;  have strong subject knowledge, keep their knowledge and skills as teachers up–to–date and are self–critical; forge positive professional relationships; and work with parents in the best interests of their pupils.


Part One: Teaching

A teacher must:

1. Set high expectations which inspire, motivate and challenge pupils

1.1  establish a safe and stimulating environment for pupils, rooted in mutual respect.
1.2  set goals that stretch and challenge pupils of all backgrounds, abilities and dispositions.
1.3  demonstrate consistently the positive attitudes, values and be- haviour which are expected of pupils.

2. Promote good progress and outcomes by pupils

2.1  be accountable for pupils’ attainment, progress and outcomes.

2.2 plan teaching to build on pupils’ capabilities and prior knowl- edge.
2.3 guide pupils to reflect on the progress they have made and their emerging needs.
2.4  demonstrate knowledge and understanding of how pupils learn and how this impacts on teaching.
2.5 encourage pupils to take a responsible and conscientious atti- tude to their own work and study.

3. Demonstrate good subject and curriculum knowledge

3.1  have a secure knowledge of the relevant subject(s) and curricu- lum areas, foster and maintain pupils’ interest in the subject, and address misunderstandings
3.2 demonstrate a critical  understanding of developments in the subject & curriculum areas, & promote the value of scholarship.
3.3 demonstrate an understanding of and take responsibility  for promoting high standards of literacy, articulacy and the cor- rect use of standard English, whatever the teacher’s specialist subject.
3.4  if teaching early reading, demonstrate a clear understanding of systematic synthetic phonics.
3.5 if teaching early mathematics, demonstrate a clear understand- ing of appropriate teaching strategies.

4. Plan and teach well structured lessons

4.1  impart knowledge and develop understanding through efec- tive use of lesson time.
4.2  promote a love of learning and children’s intellectual curiosity.

4.3  set homework and plan other out–of–class activities to con- solidate & extend the knowledge & understanding pupils have acquired.
4.4  reflect systematically on the efectiveness  of lessons and ap- proaches to teaching.
4.5  contribute to the design and provision of an engaging curricu- lum within the relevant subject area(s).

5. Adapt teaching to respond to the strengths and needs of all pupils

5.1  know when & how to diferentiate appropriately, using approaches which enable pupils to be taught efectively.
5.2 have a secure understanding of how a range of factors can in- hibit pupils’ ability to learn, & how best to overcome these.
5.3 demonstrate an awareness of the physical, social and intellec- tual development of children, and know how to adapt teaching to support pupils’ education at diferent stages of development.
5.4  have a clear understanding of the needs of all pupils, including those with SEN; those of high ability; those with English as an additional language; those with disabilities; & be able to use & evaluate distinctive teaching approaches to engage & support them.

6. Make accurate and productive use of assessment

6.1  know and understand how to assess the relevant subject and curriculum areas, including statutory assessment requirements.
6.2 make use of formative and summative assessment to secure pupils’ progress.
6.3 use relevant data to monitor progress, set targets, and plan subsequent lessons.
6.4  give pupils regular feedback, both orally & through accurate marking, & encourage pupils to respond to the feedback.

7. Manage behaviour efectively to ensure a good and safe learning environment

7.1  have clear rules and routines for behaviour in classrooms, and take responsibility for promoting good and courteous behaviour both in classrooms and around the school, in accordance with the school’s behaviour policy.
7.2  have high expectations of behaviour, and establish a framework for discipline with a range of strategies, using praise, sanctions and rewards consistently and fairly.
7.3  manage classes efectively, using approaches which are appro- priate to pupils’ needs in order to involve and motivate them.
7.4  maintain good relationships with pupils, exercise appropriate authority, and act decisively when necessary.

8. Fulfil wider professional responsibilities

8.1  make a positive contribution  to the wider life and ethos of the school.
8.2 develop efective professional relationships with colleagues, know- ing how & when to draw on advice & specialist support.
8.3 deploy support staf efectively.

8.4  take  responsibility  for improving  teaching through  appropri- ate professional development, responding to advice & feedback from colleagues.
8.5 communicate efectively with parents with regard to pupils’ achieve- ments and well–being.


Part two: Personal and professional conduct

A teacher is expected to demonstrate consistently high standards of per- sonal and professional conduct. The following statements define the be- haviour and attitudes which set the required standard for conduct through- out a teacher’s career.

Teachers uphold public trust in the profession and maintain high stan- dards of ethics and behaviour, within and outside school, by:

A. treating pupils with dignity, building relationships rooted in mutual re- spect, and at all times observing proper boundaries appropriate to a teacher’s professional position

B. having regard to the need to safeguard pupils’ well–being, in accor- dance with statutory provisions

C. showing tolerance of and respect for the rights of others

D. not undermining fundamental British values, including democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty  and mutual respect, and tolerance of those with diferent faiths and beliefs

E. ensuring that personal beliefs are not expressed in ways which exploit pupils’ vulnerability or might lead them to break the law.

F. Teachers must have proper and professional regard for the ethos, poli- cies and practices of the school in which they teach, and maintain high standards in their own attendance and punctuality.

G. Teachers must have an understanding of, and always act within, the statutory frameworks which set out their professional duties and re- sponsibilities.

三角函数的用处,生活里面随便就可以举出很多例子,这个问题应该非常好回答的吧。

关键问题是大部分中国老师不能够或者不愿意接受学生的挑战。

我不觉得对于Year 9会很好解释

关键是你解释,如果说工程上用来干嘛干嘛,他们可以在Chanllege你,“我又不当工程师”等。。

中国式教育太古板,学生发挥不了自己的想象空间,填鸭式的教育,大都靠死记硬背,英国式教育又太过于放任,timetable 到了六年级才记全,当然私校不算在内,许多学生考完中考就离校了,两国的教育要是能中合一下,取长补短,才是最好的选择

其实英国的老师大部分时间都在应付Teachers’ Standards的要求

很多时间都浪费在这个上面了

而不是用在备课上

我并不觉得英国的教学方式就不好,关键问题是low level disruption太厉害了。第一集里面那个sophie的misbehaviour 损失了老师多少时间,还有别的学生多少时间? 在国内早就清出去了,但是在英国似乎办法不多。

我不觉得sophie的行为和老师授课方式有关。她和另外一两个人明显有很严重的attitude的问题。第一集里并没有介绍这些low level distruption对其他想学习的学生有多大影响。

不管中国或者英国很多学生puf off by maths,就是老师自己都搞不明白数学有什么用。

学生问这种问题根本不是问问题,是向老师挑战是想出老师的洋相,老师回答不出来,那怎么让学生对老师有什么respect?

的确 sophie在英国“很多”

但是根据Teachers Standards 这就是我们“老师”的问题
应该是我们tailor给这种问题学生特殊method

所以时间都花在这上面了

哎。。。。。

其实第一集里面我也没有看到有所谓的“问题学生”。。。只不过是中国老师【必须】用中国方法教
【刻意弄】出来的

你是偶认识的第二个你们城市的在英国教数学的人。很不错的职业呢!我是有心无力5555

这个不是老师回答不上来

而是对于一些简单的问题
学生不是在提问,就是在胡闹。

英国的9年级 数学知识面本来就不广
很多东西 就像sin/cos/tan 不是说直接能告诉学生 what do we use sin/tan/cos for 就能解释清楚的
他们反而可以一直追问说 why can’t we use a calculator? why do we learn the formula?

还是就是证明题
比如说A level 三角函数
证明左边=右边

他们也会问why…
what do we use the right hand side for?
what do we use the left hand side for?
why do we have the right hand side?

OK they are equivalent, so what?

不是说老师不想解释 不解释
而且他们可以就这么耗着
浪费一节课都是有可能的

其实我学语文的时候也是这么想的
但是有几个语文老师能回答下面的问题?

古文干嘛?
古文什么用?
为啥要学古文?
我能背出出师表 但是不能背出XXX
我干嘛要知道XXX是写的记叙文?为什么我不可以觉得它是抒情文

如果在中国这么说,课堂里最多被老师骂,答卷上就是个X, 扣分。

你是说London?
第二个中国人嘛?

第一个是谁?
我还没有正式开始

只是读PhD的时候
一直在参与Secondary的事
做过Mentor
去过很多各种各样的学校

英语里面有个说法

People who are able to do something well can do that thing for a living, while people who are not able to do anything that well make a living by teaching.

:cn10:

等teacher 把每个人都教好
就没有teacher了

是这个逻辑嘛?

所以作为老师 总要教不好那么几个的:shutup:

@ttxms1 是嘛 居然还有上海的??? 熟悉嘛? 可以介绍下嘛?

其实当老师就是给custom(学生)提供一个service,别老想着教书育人那么高大上的东西。:cn15:

我不认识。完全和我不搭界的。是听说。是真实存在的。哈哈哈,sorry can’t help.

这就是个娱乐节目,楼主不必太认真。这个节目提供的英国人评论的地方,大多数英国人都认同中国的方式。还有每天12小时是BBC规定的,反而中国老师所在的外国语学校,都是3.4点就下课了。BBC做节目里面会有很多夸张和吸引眼球的方式。本质就是个娱乐节目:lol

这里有内幕:cn08: http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MzAwMTA0MjU1Mw==&mid=214101298&idx=1&sn=3573d4952d4f2616efda5b1ceff2a2c1&scene=1#rd

那个我也看了

12小时这个倒不是什么重点
真的是一眼就能看出来
是夸大的

但是就课上那点事
我觉得真的不夸大

至于BBC的“娱乐”效果
肯定是有的 这个和每个电视广播节目都一样
国内何尝不是更多?

而且目前事实摆在眼前:英国教育部长说了 要在2020年达到和中国能compete的水平
可惜他们的教师价值观 是不能接受我们的Method的

还是那句话 Teaching for result or teaching for mastery?

在英国当老师,公立学校要做很多tick boxes的事,是挺累的. 在私立学校,这样不尊重老师和影响其他学生的孩子,走完程序,就会被劝出学校.
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你真的在国内没有一个上正常中学的同学吗?
国内没有学校是9点开始上课的。
大都是7点左右到校开始早自习。(10年前就这样),20年前放学一般是在下午5点。
现在一般从初中开始,都是要到校晚自习的,
所以一般上课时间是早上7点到晚上9点或者10点。
中途有 午饭 晚饭 两个break。
所以至少是12个小时!