最近看过最好的关于留/退欧投票的文章,Guardian的一篇来自欧盟移民的声音。相信也是广大留欧华人未说出的心声

http://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/2016/jun/21/for-the-first-time-in-18-years-i-dont-feel-welcome-in-britain

文章来自于Guardian Education

I am a migrant from the European Union. You have probably heard lots of things about people like me in the referendum campaign, but you may not have actually heard from any of us. We have got more to lose than anyone else – our livelihoods depend on the outcome – but we do not have a voice, or a vote.

I came to live in the UK in 1998, to study for a PhD. Before that, in 1993-94, I had been an exchange student here, partly funded by the EU’s Erasmus programme. It was on that occasion that I got to know and love Britain as an open-minded and welcoming country. My landlady was one of the kindest and warmest people I have ever met. My fellow students later came to visit me at my (then) home in Berlin, and I’m still friends with many of them. I returned to Britain as soon I could.

After finishing my PhD, I embarked on a post-doc and then moved to another university, where I worked for eight years, before taking up my current post. I have profited from the openness of UK academia and the mobility offered by EU membership. I have very rarely encountered prejudice or discrimination, and have been able to thrive as a result.

Give and take

But, as in any good partnership, I have given a lot back. I have worked hard to educate thousands of students over the years. I have undertaken research and written books and articles. I have worked as a head of department and an external examiner, and taken on countless administrative roles at my own institutions and in other bodies.

There are thousands of people like me at British universities – one study puts the figure at 15 per cent – and the country has undoubtedly benefited from the international nature of this workforce. To compete internationally, the UK’s universities have to be able to attract the best talent, wherever it is found. Success in the international rankings relies on their ability to do just that.

If the UK votes to leave, it will become less attractive not only for EU nationals, but for the brightest and best across the world. Several US-born colleagues, for example, have told me that one of the reasons they settled in the UK was because indefinite leave to remain here gave them access to the EU.

But the signs are ominous. The referendum campaign has created an atmosphere of hostility towards immigrants, in ways I have never experienced in my 18 years in this country. We are being blamed for the state of public services such as health, housing and education, and for undercutting wages, even though the real culprits – chronic underinvestment, poor planning, ineffective governance and watered-down labour laws – are entirely homemade.

The tales of intimidation and threats against pro-Remain campaigners, immigrants and their supporters are a cause for serious concern. There is no doubt that many Leave proponents are decent, thoughtful people, but there is also no doubt that parts of the campaign have played on xenophobia and emboldened nasty, violent racists.

‘It’s not you, it’s them’
I have been told: “It’s not about people like you, it’s the others.” I am, apparently, a “useful” foreigner. So who are the others they are talking about? The Polish plumbers? The Lithuanian fruit pickers? The Spanish nurses? The Greek doctors? Or is it the benefit tourists, those mythical creatures that, like the Loch Ness monster, have never actually been spotted, but that surely must exist, given the amount of conversation about them?

Even in the event of a vote to Remain, it will be difficult to control the forces that have been unleashed in this campaign. And it is difficult to imagine what the UK would turn into after a Brexit, possibly under the leadership of Messrs Johnson, Gove and Farage. What is certain, however, is that it will no longer be the country that embraced me – and that I fell in love with – all those years ago.

I don’t know whether I would be allowed to stay, but, like many others, I am beginning to wonder why I would want to. I would hate to leave the country that has been my home for almost 20 years and that has been so good to me – but if it comes to that, the real loser will be Britain.

The writer is an EU national teaching music at a Scottish university

首先有道理,外加我本身不投票. 另外这个–Several US-born colleagues, for example, have told me that one of the reasons they settled in the UK was because indefinite leave to remain here gave them access to the EU.不对吧。永居和入籍两码事儿啊

来英国那么多年早可以申请永居了吧。。。现在申请也不晚呀。。。

very good piece

不是说能不能呆的问题,是他觉得已经不被welcome了。

退欧要阻止的是不贡献就拿福利的(就因为2011年到14年对罗保等所有东欧国家全面放开free movement,才使这样的人陡然增加),退欧对象这样工作来的允许啊,为啥他认为退欧就是赶他走呢,不明白。是宣传没到位还是他的理解没到位?

请读文章的全部,看看作者真正担心的是什么.

在很多老百姓眼里,所有移民都是移民,他们搞不清楚也不感兴趣移民是怎么来的从那里来的。

其实无论结果是不是留在欧盟,不喜欢移民的人始终还是不喜欢呀。。。他真是有点多虑了。。。英国游离在欧洲大陆之外也不是一天两天了,只是因为最近欧债+移民危机,让英国人这种只看利益的更加仇视欧盟移民而已。。。如果他看不明白这点,说明这几十年白呆了。

Leave campaign搅起最大的也是唯一的一点就是移民了。这次公投让英国右翼排外势头起来了很多,就像文章里写的,这中趋势发展起来后,根本不会去区分你是不是useful的foreigner,你是不是口袋里有英国护照,你是不是给政府交税,你有没有领福利等等。之后区分人群只有一条标准,就是你是不是British white。

随便吐吐槽,以前觉得英国人绅士友好,待久了才发现他们实际内心谁都看不起,虽然没有特别明显的种族歧视理论,但是他们确实还是觉得自己高人一等。一开始还会和他们讨论,后来发现根本没有意义,你说你的,他们嘴上说噢噢噢,下次还是一样的言论。。。

不是这样吧,比如说有些人连见都没见过穆斯林,更别说读古兰经了解相关所谓教义,本来压根谈不上喜不喜欢移民,但单看那些宣传和新闻就被吓到了并开始盲目仇视。我不相信他们是一开始就痛恨移民的,是被人云亦云带连带的吧?然后UKIP这样的政党更是有意扩大这样的阴影,所以让很多人谈移民色变,甚至包括某些移民自己。
坛子里很多人说控制移民要分清对象,其实连作为移民的我们自己还自以为是地把自己分为三六九等(记得不久前坛子里还有一个奇葩说英国本地人把拿工签的华人当过街老鼠,但对通过十年永居入籍的华人却非常尊敬,说因为工签的抢了当地人的工作,十年永居的就是相对高素质),这种论点难道不荒唐好笑吗?
在当地英国人眼里,不管是白皮肤,黄皮肤还是黑皮肤的移民,都是移民,扔炸弹的极端份子也好,随地吐痰的中国人也罢,程度本质当然不同,但都让人厌恶。如果自己都瞧不上自己,听信那些政客们满嘴跑火车,跟着某些当地人一起盲目仇视排外对自己来说真的有好处吗?
覆巢之下,岂有完卵?最后谁都不能独善其身。

英国对nonEU一直以来都是这个态度,上学工作签证各种限制,新加的nhs费用考虑交税的工作人士了吗

要说失望我们才早就失望了,因为一直以来都是希望我们nonEU只贡献不索取,就这样还不欢迎

EU的现在表示失望,但至少对其它nonEU的是公平了吧

对于移民增多导致的英国人不满问题
关键在于下一步怎么治理:

控制移民,还是进一步增加移民?

一直往后退求英国人别生气,不如强大起来往前走让他们生气了也奈何不了你。 {:5_137:}

减少移民求英国人别生气,不如移民强大起来让他们没脾气。 {:5_142:}

如果直接把英国土著变成minority,让他彻底没脾气,还那好。这是上策。

如果移民增多,导致发生种族冲突,这是中下策。

如果移民增多,被穆斯林子宫政策占领和,穆斯林人数超过50%,就变成英基斯坦,穆斯林法高于宪法,首相是穆斯林人… … 那就是下下下下下下策了,那可真是哭都没有眼泪。

至少哪种情况发生,就只能天佑英不列颠了。:cn17:

完全正确,这点在他们骨子里是不会改变的。 当然不是没有特例, 但绝大多数的英国白人就是自我高人一等的感觉。

所以这次公投最大的威胁就是把这种对移民的各种辱骂公开化, 把移民变成了随意吐槽的罪人, 英国人不会把所有“低他们一等”的移民区分来看, 你是从哪里来的, 你做过什么贡献。 移民就是移民, 抢了我们的福利和工作。 却不看看自己做过什么。 论坛里大部分移民都在伦敦上班吧? 至少拿工签的主要集中在伦敦, 种族问题可能还没那么严重, 可越到小地方, 这些问题就越严重。 很多东西, 人家不说哦, 心里怎么想,眼里怎么看, 说话虽然很客气,很有礼貌, 可就是能感觉到背后他们的”高人一等“。

再说说不少华人, 在英国公司工作或嫁给老外的, 身边英国朋友稍微多点, 开始看不起那些喜欢在华人圈的中国人, 别不承认, 我们身边这种人不少。 说句难听的大实话, 你觉得他/她是你的好朋友, 你觉得他/她也这么认为。 可是在人家的英国本地朋友中提起的时候, 最好最好的描述也不过“one of my best Chinese friend".

End of story.

说一句大白话

如果不是英国生活好… …

国内大城市,连外来人口(农村来的人)都不怎么欢迎,又怎么会欢迎农村来的阿三呢?

把穆斯林放在嘴边的退欧人士,却没有想过,无论偷渡客,技术移民,投资移民,在不少英格兰白人内心深处,华人和穆斯林,罗马尼亚吉普赛人是等同的。所以一个多元的英国社会,才是最好的选择。再过几十年,随着教育的普及,宗教势力会慢慢消亡的。现在的恐怖主义才有多少年历史?而100多年来,不同的意识形态也曾给世界带来灾难的打击,造成人类不同阵营的对立,毁灭世界的核战争一触即发。n多年后的今天看起来,那只是一个时代的产物而已,人类社会进程的一部分。未来世界将会更和谐。

退欧是固步自封。