退出EU,来信了。

度假回来,看到宣传信件,感觉写的很好,大家也看看吧。
还可以去他们的网站投票: eureferendumfacts.org

On 23 June, there will be a vote to decide whether the UK should remain a member of the European Union, or leave and take back control. It’s a big decision – and there may not be another chance to vote for years. Here are the facts:
The UK joined the European Union in 1973
Back then, it was known as the Common Market. But over the past 43 years, the EU has taken control over more and more areas which don’t have anything to do with trade – such as our borders, our public services, and whether prisoners have the right to vote.

When we joined, there were just 9 member states
Now there are 28, the most recent being Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia. Five more countries are being considered for membership: Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Turkey. If they are let in, they will have the same rights as other member states.

More than half of net migration to the UK comes from the EU
More than a quarter of a million people came to the UK from the EU in the 12 months to September 2015 – the equivalent of a city the size of Plymouth or Newcastle in just one year.

While we’re in the EU, the UK can’t make trade deals on our own
This means we currently have no trade deals with key allies such as Australia, New Zealand or the USA – or important growing economies like India, China or Brazil. Instead of making a deal which is best for the UK, we have to wait for 27 other countries to agree it.

The EU costs us £350 million a week
That’s enough to build a new NHS hospital every week of the year. We get less than half of this money back, and

we have no control over the way it’s spent – that’s decided by politicians and officials in Brussels, rather than the people we elect here.

You don’t have to be a member of the EU to trade with it
Switzerland is not in the EU and it exports more per person to the EU than we do. The big banks and multinationals might be lobbying to keep us in the EU, but small and medium-sized businesses feel differently. Only 6 per cent of UK firms export to the EU, yet all have to abide by EU regulations on their business.

EU law overrules UK law
This stops the British public from being able to vote out the politicians who make our laws. EU judges have already overruled British laws on issues like counter-terrorism powers, immigration, VAT, and prisoner voting. Even the Government’s proposed new deal can be overturned after the referendum: it is not legally binding.

There are risks in voting either way
Experts, politicians, and businesses are divided. People have to weigh up the risks and potential benefits of each course of action for themselves.

留着EU后果是什么呢?
东欧人会不会把英国挤成洗澡堂子?

楼主辛苦了。其实就是自己家的事要别人来决定,还没什么好处。那些烂国家都慢慢加入了,移民也不断涌入真的对英国没什么好处啊

说的很痛快,当断不断必受其害,长痛不如短痛。

LZ不懂什么叫做稳定, 老百姓需要的是稳定(和谐)而任何社会的巨变对老百姓都是害比利大。

虽然我也觉得退出能稍微控制未来的移民,但长期还是危害更大。

请问楼主是土生土长的英国人吗?

政客的把戏,他们才不在意退还是不退,为了拿到自己的利益整天忽悠老百姓,当然咱们也习惯被忽悠。

跟我没关系,也不能投票,飘过

最近YOUTUBE上面好多广告轮流轰炸 ,让大家投票留在EU,靠,坚决投OUT! 我国内的闺蜜都说了,现在各地穆斯林在不断壮大,还发个新闻图片给我看,说上海市中心封路给穆斯林信徒朝拜,这是正常的宗教信仰么?!

打算投退。
去年底去了一趟brussels. 靠近火车站那块路上走的全是穆斯林男啊。感觉跟在唐人街看到的中国人那个比例了。

东欧人没什么可怕,可怕的是穆斯林大部队。我可不希望自己的下一代被逼成为穆斯林

话说我经理(英国人)是挺欧派,担心经济啊啥的,但是当我给她看了土耳其欧盟协议,立马开始担心了,直说欧盟脑残,已经开始向退欧派靠拢了

严重同意。穆斯林的繁衍能力实在是惊人。据说现在英国每4个初生婴儿里就有1个是穆斯林。再不退出英国过不了多久就会像荷兰一样每2个初生婴儿里就有1个是穆斯林。这个增长想想都吓人。

最好的办法是留在欧盟,同时欧盟同意英国限制移民数量,限制claim benefit,现在真的觉得英国变成了波兰 - when you get to heathrow, you don’t say welcome to UK, but welcome to Poland instead.

其实在退欧这件事上没有输赢,没有对错,有的只是你个人的认知和感觉。

只是在看到这类宣传资料的时候我们不能全盘接受。我们必须要有反问的理性,支持退欧的宣传单里说的在退欧之后的好处就真的都能实现吗?反对退欧的宣传单里说的退欧之后的坏处就真的就那么可怕吗?都不尽然。

退与不退都是各有利弊的。就我个人而言,我支持留在欧盟。可说的东西太多了,在这里只说两点。

1、想用退欧来挡住东欧人甚至穆斯林的人太天真了。即使英国脱欧英国也很可能需要接受欧洲人员自由流动的条件,这个看看瑞士的地位就知道了。不顾瑞士民众的反对,瑞士联邦政府还是取消了瑞士的边境管理,甚至瑞士几百年来引以为傲的银行也在某种程度上受到欧盟甚至美国的监管。为什么?就因为你小我大,你要和我玩就要遵守我的规矩。当然,英国的经济体比瑞士大,在和欧盟的讨价还价中应该能拿到比瑞士更好的利益。但是我始终认为你作为家族中的老二、老三,说话的时候可能还会有人听。但是如果你是一个外人对家族的事物说三道四,还会有人听吗?

2、支持脱欧的人不断强调英国是第五大经济体,脱欧以后英国有更大的发展空间。这其实是一个伪命题,因为请注意,英国是现时全球第五大经济体没有错,但是这个成就是在欧盟框架下实现的。脱离了欧盟英国要跟所有WTO的国家重新签订贸易协议,他们能否给与个体的英国跟在欧盟框架下的英国同等的待遇?这个很难说。而且跟所有国家签订贸易协议的过程可能长达5-10年,在这5-10年里英国的经济会怎样?谁能够说的准?举一个最现实的例子,去年苏格兰脱英公投之前SNP一直强调因为北海油田苏格兰是富裕的国家,脱离英国以后每个人都会享受到经济红利。但是今年油价大幅下跌,苏格兰甚至出现赤字了,不少苏格兰人开始庆幸脱英没有成功了。

我支持退出EU。EU什么"%_)"玩意儿啊,没给英国带来什么杰出的贡献,反而拖后腿拖得厉害。说到底,EU存在的意义是欧洲人民抱团以抵抗大国,但英国从来都是抱美国大腿的,既然如此,干脆抱紧点儿吧。反正现在英国经济也是半死不活了,也许撇了EU,抱美国和中国大腿,能带来些转机呢?

赞同。东欧人没什么的,就算来的这一代素质不高,后代在英国这里也就慢慢被同化了,东欧人的小孩和英国人小孩基本没区别,毕竟都是白人,宗教信仰也差得不太多。穆斯林可不一样,一代一代的都不会被同化,可怕的是他们会把其他族群同化。

真的假的。。天朝什么时候会为这种事情封路。。

我只知道,那天,我女儿一周岁生日。。哈哈 {:5_141:}

ONS下个月会公布修正的EU移民数字,因为多年以来ONS发布移民数字和发放的NI number严重不符,新NI number的数量是所谓新来移民的两倍
还有一点是EU和美国谈的合同中包括TTIP协议The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership,长远来看就是美国大公司可以通过EU加速NHS私有化并且可以起诉政府保护公费医疗,NHS虽然有很多弊病,但这个在英国选民中是绝对不能动的奶酪
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/06/brexit-is-necessary-to-protect-nhs-from-ttip-says-david-owen