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[其他] 最新研究Grammar school pupils achieve no more than pupils at non-selective schools

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本帖最后由 LiLaC52 于 2018-03-27 23:14 编辑

最近这些年Grammar School越来越popular,上grammar school的学生越来越多,为了迎合广大Parents的口味,Grammar出身的Theresa May刚上台许诺扩大或者增加Grammar school,在大选遭遇滑铁卢以后May完全放弃了grammar的打算,随着工党的popularity增加,反对Grammar School的舆论也越来越强烈,继King's College搞出的研究报告(Grammar 无用,学生成绩决定于遗传基因)之后Durham University也搞出个研究报告(Grammar 无用,学生成绩决定于学生家庭社会经济状况)。

这个报告也观察到,喜欢上grammar school是华人和孟巴人(没有说印度人这有点奇怪),不同种族孩子上grammar的比例情况

种族                                在Grammar里的比例          非grammar school里的比例
Pakistani/Bangladeshi        14.7%                                           8.8%
Chinese                              1.5%                                            0.3%
White                                  74.5%                                          80.5%
Black                                    3%                                                 5%

Grammar school pupils achieve no more than pupils at non-selective schools, study reveals
http://www.itv.com/news/2018-03-27/grammar-school-pupils-study/
The study also indicates that pupils from a Chinese or Pakistani/Bangladeshi background, make up a larger proportion of grammar school students than they do at other schools.

It suggests youngsters at selective schools have a similar level of achievement to their equivalent peers at non-selective schools, once factors such as background, and previous attainment are taken into account.

The study, by academics at Durham University, also indicates that pupils from a Chinese or Pakistani/Bangladeshi background, make up a larger proportion of grammar school students than they do at other schools. Researchers used government data on more 549,203 pupils in England in 2015, looking at information on their attainment, school and background.

They found grammar schools in England - of which there are around 163 - take around 2% of pupils who are, or have been, eligible for free school meals - a key measure of poverty, compared with 14% nationally.

The findings, published in the British Journal of Sociology of Education, also show that on average, grammar school pupils are less likely to have special educational needs, less likely to speak English as an additional language, more likely to be among the older children in their year group, and to live in wealthier areas. While raw results suggest grammar school pupils get higher average GCSE points scores, once all these factors are taken into consideration, grammar school pupils achieve around the same results as similar students in the rest of the country.

It means the apparent GCSE success of grammar schools is down to pupils coming from more advantaged backgrounds and having higher academic achievement at the age of 11, the paper suggests. Professor Stephen Gorard, of Durham's School of Education, said: "The progress made by grammar school students is the same as progress made by equivalent children who do not go to grammar school, on average."

He also said: "Dividing children into the most able and the rest from an early age does not appear to lead to better results for either group. "This means that the kind of social segregation experienced by children in selective areas in England, and the damage to social cohesion that ensues, is for no clear gain.

"This is not to decry the schools that are currently grammars, or the work of their staff. "However, the findings mean that grammar schools in England endanger social cohesion for no clear improvement in overall results. The policy is a bad one."

The results also show that children of a Pakistani/Bangladeshi origin make up 14.7% of grammar school pupils, compared with 8.8% for other schools, while Chinese pupils make up 1.5% of grammar school children, compared with 0.3% for other schools. Three quarters (74.5%) of grammar school pupils are from a white background, compared with 80.5% for other schools, while children from a black background make up 3%, compared with 5% for non-selective schools.

Prof Gorard said: "The research itself is silent on why this occurs. "We know, in the same way we know that in general that girls do better than boys, that pupils from Chinese, Pakistani and Bangladeshi backgrounds have higher attainment than some other ethnic groups at school."  "These ethnic groups also tend to have different societal and economic backgrounds, and that might explain the differences - meaning that this is not an ethic origin issue as such."

Controversial proposals to lift the ban on creating new grammar schools were a key part of the Conservative manifesto in last year's snap general election, but the plans were dropped in the wake of the election result, which saw the Tories lose their overall majority. But grammars can still take on more pupils under rules that allow good state schools to expand.

A Department for Education spokesman said: "We want every child to receive a world class education and to give parents greater choice when it comes to picking the school that's right for them - grammar schools are a part of this. "Around 60% of these schools already prioritise admissions for disadvantaged children and we are continuing to work closely with the school sector to widen access further." The spokesman said research has shown that disadvantaged pupils "make better progress across core subjects in selective schools, and attain better results".


Grammar school success 'down to privilege' - study
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43542565
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我个人也不喜欢grammar school.附近的普通中学都被它drain out ,把聪明和家里上心的孩子挑走了,普通学校没有太多bright kids to look up to....好的私立,也差不多一半聪明的,一半普通的
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发表于 2018-3-28 01:51:45 | 显示全部楼层
grammar school是不是和国内的重点中学一样,是一个区最好的学校,考高分才能进,分数不够就进不去?

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可以这样说  发表于 2018-3-28 01:57
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Lovelyjubbly 发表于 2018-03-28 00:55
我个人也不喜欢grammar school.附近的普通中学都被它drain out ,把聪明和...

每个小学就一两个孩子考上grammar school,不存在聪明孩子被drain out的问题。
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发表于 2018-3-28 02:47:27 | 显示全部楼层
北部反正没grammar school,只有私立和公立,所以没啥纠结的
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发表于 2018-3-28 15:16:05 | 显示全部楼层
很多小孩成绩很好,可就是不去grammar,
我知道的在一个普通中学,
今年有2个GCSE10个*的小孩不去grammar,
比如tiffin boys, 5个A*就能进。
还有一个被私立全额奖学金,也不愿意去。
grammar,私立,并不是所有人都瞧得上的。
我家小孩现在还时不时抱怨我,她是无所谓的态度。
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wx5008 发表于 2018-03-28 15:16
很多小孩成绩很好,可就是不去grammar,
我知道的在一个普通中学,
今年有2个GCSE...

“私立全额奖学金“

100%吹牛
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发表于 2018-3-28 16:12:16 | 显示全部楼层
LiLaC52 发表于 2018-03-28 15:54

“私立全额奖学金“

100%吹牛

龙哥听我解释一下,
这个是白人小孩和我家小孩一个年级的,体育特长,单人皮划艇拿了奖。
私校专门派人来学校特招,A LEVEL学费全免,加运动补助金。
不去。
因为喜欢现在的学校和老师。
不得不说,人家孩子的大器和坚定的长远规划。
中国人有劣根性,有便宜就占。
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发表于 2018-3-28 17:52:23 | 显示全部楼层
wx5008 发表于 2018-03-28 16:12

龙哥听我解释一下,
这个是白人小孩和我家小孩一个年级的,体育特长,单人皮划艇拿了奖。
...

前面解释的挺好,但最后一句是从哪来的结论?请问尊贵的您是哪里人?

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发表于 2018-3-28 18:51:15 | 显示全部楼层
lec3xl 发表于 2018-03-28 17:52

前面解释的挺好,但最后一句是从哪来的结论?请问尊贵的您是哪里人?

林语堂应该知道吧。
他说的。。。不是我。
我也喜欢占小便宜,所以我服。
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