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[人格培养] 美国教授说大学教育的目的和教育没有多少关系而是找到合适社会阶层的人结婚,中小学也是这样吗?

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本帖最后由 LiLaC52 于 2019-03-15 20:30 编辑

很多家长在选择小学和中学的时候纠结排名榜第几名的问题,如果问我的建议,那我的建议就是学校就是提供一个供孩子发展的环境,孩子发展的怎么样看孩子自己,排名榜重要但没必要纠结于排名榜。选择学校其实是选择同学,这篇文章的观点和我的想法一样,贴上来供大家娱乐。

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美国教授说大学教育的目的和教育没有多少关系而是找到合适社会阶层的人结婚,中小学也是这样吗?

A College "Education" Has Little to do with Education

https://mises.org/wire/college-education-has-little-do-education
An old friend of mine, who taught political science for 25 years at the University of Colorado, was known to tell his students that the real reason they were there was to marry people from the right social class.

While perhaps a little overly cynical, this assessment certainly wasn't totally wrong. Few parents have ever been overly concerned with the supposed education their children receive at a University like CU. The real concern has primarily been the receipt of a degree from a respectable — although not "elite" in the case of CU — university. And, whether they are consciously aware of it or not, an additional benefit has been to ensure that little Susie and little Johnny also become accustomed to the social mores and habits of a certain socio-economic class.

Even if Susie doesn't meet a doctor at college, it's still best to send Susie to a place where she learns to socialize and interact with the sorts of people who will eventually become doctors and engineers and successful business people. When one is finished with his or her "education," one has a nice degree to show for it, plus a social circle comprised of  presumably soon-to-be-successful people.

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone that it turns out rich Hollywood actors with intellectually and academically mediocre children have become obsessed with getting their children into high-status colleges. They employ bribes and fake test scores to purchase what they've always been able to purchase otherwise: a stylish consumer product, which is essentially all a college degree is for most people.

In a certain way, one has to admire these corrupt, cheating parents because they are too savvy to buy the nonsense that the higher education industry has been peddling for decades.

As ridiculous as it sounds, there are still people in higher education who spout quaint theories about "liberal education" and how college is a time for self-reflection and becoming "immersed in the great books of the Western Tradition," and so on.

There is surely a tiny minority of college students who actually believe this — many of whom grow up to become professional students and college faculty — but college has long been largely about certification.

While universities were founded in the Christendom of the middle ages with some lofty goals, the vast majority of families who sent their young people to universities didn't share these goals. They sent their children to universities to attain degrees in subjects like canon law which afforded to the family greater social status and perhaps a coveted job in church or secular government.

Yes, actually teaching certain skills has been important some of the time. Many of today's oldest and most venerated universities, for example, were founded to train clergymen. Harvard University, after all, was created to deal with the problem of "an illiterate ministry," was was thought to be all too common in colonial America. But by the nineteenth century, American universities had been converted to a broader model of education in which specific skills became less important, and the attainment of a degree became more important.

Over time, training in other professions, such as secular legal studies, became important goals for colleges and universities, largely because the middle classes saw this sort of training as a ticket to prosperity.  Rarely was a college education sold to the middle classes as an exercise in intellectual self improvement or gaining an appreciation of Virgil and Dante. But even then, the educational aspects of a college "education" weren't the most important part of the experience. Training could often be attained on-the-job in law as in other professions. The college degree, on the other hand, was valuable because it communicated a certain elite status.

And this is what the middle classes really wanted most. After all, it's hard to imagine an 1830s middle-class family patriarch, slaving away at the family shipping business, and scraping together tuition money for junior just so he can go have deep thoughts about the implications of the Peloponnesian War.

On the other hand, there's no doubt that the upper classes could afford more navel-gazing. Indeed, by the mid nineteenth century, American universities had adopted the ideas of the upper classes from England decades before: that universities are there to prepare members of the elite for "leadership" and "service" by making them broad-minded intellectuals.

That, however, was never more than a boutique sort of education for the sons of the already-established elites.

But if that vision of higher education ever reflected reality, it certainly doesn't now. The idea that students go to college to attain a broad and liberal view of humanity and human history appears almost laughable today. Outside of the college programs that provide real professionally-relevant job skills, such as in engineering and computer science, a college education offers little more than daily recapitulation in learning the ideological views of today's intellectual class. Outside a narrow worldview shared by a tiny elite of humanities and social science professors, very little is taught at all.

Wealthy Hollywood types, being relentless and cynical social climbers, likely figured this out years ago. So they've now zeroed in on getting out of college all that college has to offer to someone who doesn't have the intellectual chops to major in electrical engineering: a piece of paper that helps sustain membership in elite social circles
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欢迎查阅英国7大社会阶层。
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这只是适用于白人,华人BBC男得先弄清楚未来老婆在哪,才有然后啊
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发表于 2019-3-15 21:09:57 | 显示全部楼层
呵呵,大学时不记得是老师还是同学对某些女生的看法就是这些人哪是来读书的啊?就是来找对象的。
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pengruoyu 发表于 2019-03-15 21:00
这只是适用于白人,华人BBC男得先弄清楚未来老婆在哪,才有然后啊

现在英国大学能有10%中国女生白富美。
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eft9000 发表于 2019-03-15 21:51

现在英国大学能有10%中国女生白富美。

关键是人家这百分之十的白富美你靠啥去追呀?
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superqian 发表于 2019-03-15 22:08

关键是人家这百分之十的白富美你靠啥去追呀?

有那么多印度女孩,不需要老盯着中国男孩啊。
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LiLaC52 发表于 2019-03-15 22:14

有那么多印度女孩,不需要老盯着中国男孩啊。

我家要是男孩子就不反对找印度人,不是说印度人嫁姑娘嫁妆堪比国内的彩礼
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发表于 2019-3-15 22:35:13 | 显示全部楼层
superqian 发表于 2019-3-15 22:19
我家要是男孩子就不反对找印度人,不是说印度人嫁姑娘嫁妆堪比国内的彩礼   ...

先不要说这么早,万一你女儿有个弟弟,再带回来个印度姑娘,再分你身家,连个墙角都找不到来哭
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发表于 2019-3-15 22:47:36 | 显示全部楼层
superqian 发表于 2019-03-15 22:19

我家要是男孩子就不反对找印度人,不是说印度人嫁姑娘嫁妆堪比国内的彩礼

从我去过的印度婚礼来看,印度人嫁姑娘嫁妆  绝对超过国内彩礼。

新娘子满头满脖子满手臂的金饰品就不得了了。
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