cybernetics于2008-01-25写道:
我想的是
苹果的Mac OS + Adobe的Arcobat 对抗 微软的MS Windows + MS Office。
大哥，Mac怎么跟Windows对抗。 :cn06:
Acrobat跟Office好像重合点也不多吧？Enterprise一般都是两个都买。 :cn06:
大哥，Mac怎么跟Windows对抗。 :cn06:
Acrobat跟Office好像重合点也不多吧？Enterprise一般都是两个都买。 :cn06:
cybernetics于2008-01-25写道:
guinness于2008-01-25写道:
cybernetics于2008-01-25写道:
guinness于2008-01-25写道:
cybernetics于2008-01-25写道:
msft于2008-01-25写道:
cybernetics于2008-01-24写道:
不过仔细地想想，苹果和adobe合并还挺合适的。
哪里有合适的？
Apple的硬件和操作系统，Adobe的商用软件。无敌啦！
文章有一定立场，两者产品本身有对立竞争，aperture输给lightroom, premiere package输给Finalcut studio，若合并在平面和非编领域确实是强强联合，一起对抗avid。两者之间确实有并购潜在可能，但要说apple吃掉adobe那意淫的成分就太大了。
我想的是
苹果的Mac OS + Adobe的Arcobat 对抗 微软的MS Windows + MS Office。
Avid在非线性很强，硬件平台都是Apple的。有可能会被Apple买下来。
avid也有用pc硬件平台阿，apple要收购了avid，面向hollywood有avid,面向independent有FCS，产品线就几乎垄断了，老实说还是不希望这些并购，一定意义上竞争造福我们用户。
不过不太明白你说的acrobat怎么对抗ms office？虽然一般文档处理我都indesign了word实在太丑，但excel还是缺不了的好东西
喔！可能是我太老土了。
我十多年前，看到中国引进的第一批AVID的非线性就是用的apple的平台。时过境迁啦！！
不过现在AVID的国内市场都被什么大洋，金四维，索贝等占得差不多了吧？
其实是acrobat对抗MS Word，用Word写一些稍微复杂的文档就特别麻烦。现在写东西，只用LaTeX。平时excel用得少，要是画图表什么的，直接用matlab。
其实就是一厢情愿的瞎谈而已。
坛子里面，二把刀太多了。遇上楼上这种真正懂行的人太少了。
[ 编辑 cybernetics 在 08-01-25 06:40 ]
十多年前。。。想必是前辈。多指教了，现在竞争激烈，我们设计行业的也得学编程了。
msft于2008-01-25写道:
cybernetics于2008-01-25写道:
我想的是
苹果的Mac OS + Adobe的Arcobat 对抗 微软的MS Windows + MS Office。
大哥，Mac怎么跟Windows对抗。
Acrobat跟Office好像重合点也不多吧？Enterprise一般都是两个都买。
嗯，一般两个都买是事实。不过，mac和windows不一直杠着么，mac系统很不错，很适合中小工作室，你是msft的也没必要见到mac就炮轰吧，商业互攻行为很正常，但个人行为就缺乏气度了。
rate于2008-01-25写道:
Okay, talk as invited.
I think Apple should buy IBM instead (if it really has the money, apparently not).
IBM has the best Corporate software packages in the world. In terms of functionality, performance and compatibility IBM’s 5 lines of enterprise application can blow MS etc. away without a blink.
However, the suck part of anything IBM is the interface, the user experience. You feel sad if you are sitting in front of Notes whole day, or trying to configurae its Tivoli app sys. in a 80s retro interface. Microsoft might not be as human friendly as Apple, but it does a far better job than IBM in this area. By the end of the day, it is the users who decide what to buy.
So if Apple buys IBM (or create a joint venture), and with the support of Google, I don’t see a point of Microsoft’s existence in the next 10-20 years.
I know, that’s a big IF, and sometimes it’s the guys sit in between the extremes live longest lives.
[ 编辑 rate 在 08-01-25 07:40 ]
你發一貼刪掉一個帖子....
這個2888保持的比較艱難 :cn11:
rate于2008-01-25写道:
So if Apple buys IBM (or create a joint venture), and with the support of Google, I don’t see a point of Microsoft’s existence in the next 10-20 years.
Whether you like it or not... IBM, Microsoft, Google and Apple are going to be here for a long time.
IBM is an IT service company now (and much better than Deloitte. :lol: )
Microsoft is common people software.
Google is online.
Apple is more and more like HP.
I don't see they can merge in anyway...
rate于2008-01-25写道:
You can call it an IT service firm or whatever you fancy, but if you read the news you should know that they even started to take on Microsoft in small/personal market right from the beginning of this year.
I agree IBM Global Services kicks ass, especially on some small competitor called Deloitte.
I heard some MS Office challenger thingy last year... one year on, do you still remember its name? :cn08:
| rate于2008-01-25写道:
HP is hardware, out of scope. |
Is a good mp3-maker named Apple out of scope as well then? :cn17: :cn17:
| rate于2008-01-25写道:
Google rules, no problem for that at all. Not because of the massive monopoly power or tech advantages they have at the moment, but mainly becoz of their flexible business model that allows them to take on any further change/challenges easily. |
You are wrong. Google is good because the ads thing caught on and now we are endless supply of money so that we can buy innovative companies. It may be hard for you to fathom - Google is not different from Microsoft anyway.
| rate于2008-01-25写道:
Microsoft's problem, in short, is its lack of direction. With Bill gone, and a G.Bush alike Steve Ballmer in charge (with a team of lawyers and financial controllers), MS is going nowhere, just like IBM in the late 80s/ early 90s. |
Can you tell me which direction is your company going? Or GE? Or Google?
A lot of big companies make tons of money without making a single direction. They are not like Apple which is one-trick pony, albeit a very good trick.
| rate于2008-01-25写道:
I've actually been working with IBM consultants from the States for quite a while. Apart from their big expense claims, these folks are seriously cool. They seriously, set themselves apart from those hardcore developers and techies. |
You are right consultants are cooler than devs... in the same way that hippie is cool. But coolness doesn't mean that they are not idiots (and are not viewed by others as idiots.) Sorry, mate.
> rate于2008-01-25写道:
So, as a piece of really sincere advice for somebody, please do take a serious look at your career future, as one can't be a programmer forever. Im feeling decent today, no offense at all.
[b]Thanks! I appreciate the advice... :polite: even though it's from someone whose paycheck is less than half of mine. :cn01: If I stop enjoying the work, I might try Mck or the Street.[/b]
guinness于2008-01-25写道:
十多年前。。。想必是前辈。多指教了，现在竞争激烈，我们设计行业的也得学编程了。
没有，没有！那个时候还是小孩儿，屁颠屁颠地跑去看热闹。 :cn11:
Rate的评论很精辟。
赞一个。
rate于2008-01-25写道:
I have lost interest in talking to you on this... :cn12:
You and I will never agree because you are not "in the loop". How can you understand anything by working at a third-rate company and watch MacWorld every day. :cn12:
So all you can say is repeating some old & tired doom prediction for 10 years. And disturbing as Steve Ballmer can be, I think he is doing a good job.
I will not comment on Goog's CEO.
[ 编辑 msft 在 08-01-26 04:33 ]
msft于2008-01-26写道:
rate于2008-01-25写道:
1. Apple makes software as well. I think you know that.
2. Your comments regarding Google/MS is a common illusion had by IT people in the past decate. In reality, there is something called disruptive technology - if you google the term, you can find a lot of interesting read.
In breif, if you are microsoft, you buy a browser company or a anti-virus company to put it into next generation of vista, granted, but you won’t buy a company that makes operating system which is completely incompatible and made-to-kill windows, even they are better. The latter are sometimes the ‘disruptive technology’, a revolution, instead of evolution, this is exactly why Microsoft is not IBM’s Software Dept and Google is not Microsoft’s Network Dept .
Codes can be interesting, and actually I know how to do C plus plus pointers myself. However if you try to look at things at macro level, sometimes you see things differently.
3. every company has its direction, the problem its CONSISTANCY. Without a powerful
I have lost interest in talking to you on this…
You and I will never agree because you are not “in the loop”. How can you understand anything by working at a third-rate company and watch MacWorld every day.
So all you can say is repeating some old & tired doom prediction for 10 years. And disturbing as Steve Ballmer can be, I think he is doing a good job.
I will not comment on Goog’s CEO.
[ 编辑 msft 在 08-01-26 04:33 ]
It is sad that you can never talk rationally, or maybe rationally long enough.
rate于2008-01-27写道:
It is sad that you can never talk rationally, or maybe rationally long enough.
It is sad that you cannot be intelligent enough to interest me into talking rationally with you.