正在走买房程序的房子有damp问题

最近在买一个房子,贷款下来了,律师也开始做各种搜索了。上周五building survey report出来,说有damp问题。报告是这样写的:

[b]The damp proof course is concealed within the building and therefore could not be
inspected, however it is usual for buildings of this type and age to be fitted with a
slate DPC (damp proof course). Readings with our electronic moisture meter were
taken at random points on the internal surfaces of the ground floor internal walls
surfaces and adverse readings were obtained in the following locations:
a) Rear party wall within the dining room
b) Flank and internal walls to the conservatory.

We have formed the opinion that the dampness has resulted due to the external
render becoming porous, and water is subsequently drawn through the rendering via
capillary attraction and subsequently bridges the damp proof course and water
ingress and dampness subsequently ensues.[/b] (这个原因我看得不是很明白,有高人可以解释一下吗?)

报告最后是修理预算:

Budget Schedule
a) Provide the main roof with additional timber strut support £1500.00
b) Overhaul flashings to rear conservatory 200.00
c) External Redecorations to rear elevation walls £2500.00
d) Take out cupboards and hack off damaged plaster to conservatory
Carry out Eradicate Dampness to Conservatory & Reinstate
£4000.00
e) Take out existing kitchen sink and base cupboards and
cap off temporary water and drainage supplies
Hack off defective plaster to wall in kitchen and re-plaster
Supply and fit new kitchen sink and base cupboards
and reinstate water and drainage supplies to kitchen sink £3000.00
f) Take up existing tiles to the rear garden and clear away 500.00
g) Repoint rear external garden wall £2000.00
£13700.00
Contingency @ 10% for £1370.00
Total estimate £15070.00
NB: These figure are ballpark should be verified by estimates.

其实中介之前已经知道这个damp的问题,而且找一家专做防潮的公司Kiltox报了价,光做damp proof course是£720,没有提及拆厨房和阳光房橱柜并复原,刷墙等费用。关于damp的结论是:
Kitchen
Rising Damp Inspection
All readily accessible walls of solid construction were inspected for rising dampness both visually and with the aid of a specialist moisture detection meter. Significantly high moisture content readings were obtained at the time of our inspection indicating the presence of Rising Damp.
The original damp proof course is believed either to be absent or to have come to the end of its useful life, thereby allowing the brickwork to be subjected to rising dampness caused by capillary action of sub-site moisture.

Utility Area
Rising Damp Inspection
All readily accessible walls of solid construction were inspected for rising dampness both visually and with the aid of a specialist moisture detection meter. Significantly high moisture content readings were obtained at the time of our inspection indicating the presence of Rising Damp.
The original damp proof course is believed either to be absent or to have come to the end of its useful life, thereby allowing the brickwork to be subjected to rising dampness caused by capillary action of sub-site moisture.

Bathroom
Rising Damp Inspection – Restricted
Unfortunately due to full tiling and dry lining, we were unable to take the necessary readings and are therefore unable to comment on the presence of rising damp in this area.

周五我已经把survey report发给中介了,还没有收到中介答复。问了律师和surveyor,意思都是让我拿这个报告压价,surveyor说因为不是卧室,问题不是特别大。我并没有幻想房主会同意承担15k的修理费用,现在担心的是房主被这个费用清单吓到,不跟我协商,直接让中介把房子重新放到市场上去。

现在问题来了:
1)这个damp的问题算严重吗,这样的damp做过damp proof course是不是能够完全解决问题呢?应不应该继续买这个房子?
2)surveyor的预算合理吗?
3)这种情况有可能讲价吗,大概能讲多少呢?
4)周一应该主动联系中介问问情况吗,还是等中介跟我联系?看个基本合意的房子真心不容易,没法淡定 :L
5)如果房主不肯降价,是不是还是按原来谈好的价格买呢?我是在asking price上加了18k拿到这个房子的,房主在买另一个大房子,贷款下来了,等着交换合同。

第一次买房,没有经验,请各位不吝赐教。先谢过 :slight_smile:

附Kiltox的示意图,我觉得红线部分是需要做damp proof course的范围,不知道不拆橱柜行不行?

要处理掉arising damp的问题,一般都会直接打掉墙面的plaster下半部大概1m高左右,要不要移除橱柜视乎要看你这damp proof course是做在内墙还是外墙。如果是内墙就得移除橱柜了。
同时damp proof couse需要让这公司讲解详细些,到底包括了什么服务。一般是打掉1m高的affected area plaster, 然后去掉地脚线,Then drill and inject with damp proof course solution, re-plaster with anti salt renovation plaster, re-skim(一般做防潮的公司只会做到这,最好让他们同时skip hire处理掉所以建筑废料),接下来就得re-skirting和repaint了。

这是室内做damp proof course的程序,室外的可能比较简单些,只是pointing就可以了。

谢谢回复,我再找kiltox问问。

请问做完damp proof course一般可以彻底解决damp的问题吗?

这是肯定的,要不然做防潮干嘛呢,一定要问这公司有没有guarantee。一般比较专业的公司都会承诺给25年guarantee的

:cn14:

真心感谢 :slight_smile:

kiltox有30年保修,但是好像要买他家的其他原料做后期处理,如果另外请人做后期处理的话好像会影响保修。

问了surveyor这个房子以前有没有做过damp proof course,他没有给出直接答复。

中介要求明天给最后答复,都不知道怎么办了 :L

还有一个问题就是加建阁楼,我看阁楼里面不怎么高,不过同一条街一多半都加了阁楼,一条街上其他在卖的房子看照片阁楼并不是特别矮,请问这个需要找builder看过才能确定能够加建阁楼吗?有点害怕高度不够。

有保修的就比较放心了。arising damp问题还是很烦心的,建议你入住前一定要先解决,要不陆续的问题很多的。。
加建需要通过planning permission,这个得需要申请比准了才能让builder开工

The fraud of rising dump
http://www.heritage-house.org/the-fraud-of-rising-damp.html

通风透气是唯一解决damp问题的方法。

“We have formed the opinion that the dampness has resulted due to the external render becoming porous, and water is subsequently drawn through the rendering via capillary attraction and subsequently bridges the damp proof course and water ingress and dampness subsequently ensues.”

大概是说他们认为由于房子外墙的涂层(?)漏水,漏进来的水经由毛吸作用穿透了涂层以及damp proof course, 引起了进水和潮湿。

This is similar to (but not the same as) the Kiltox diagnosis.
The quote looks a little pricey but your surveyor worked for YOU and was therefore handing you a good bargaining leverage.

If the vendors have had damp proof course done at some point they should have a guarantee which in most cases could be reassigned to the new owner (ie, you) if it’s still within its validity period (usually 20-30 years).
It may be worthwhile to ask the EA to find out or let your solicitors contact the vendor’s.

Do check the validity of the guarantee if your vendor provides one and ask for it to be reassigned to you on completion and have this put in the contract.

The building industry is not terribly well regulated. Big, reputable damp proof companies (such as Kiltox) are usually more reliable than SOME small “local” companies, but the difference is reflected in their price tags.

We recently bought a house with a bit of a rising damp issue. The vendor produced a 30 year guarantee on some works they presumably have done 5 years ago, only for us to find out that the company issued the guarantee no longer exist…
We liked the house enough to leave it and paid to have the damp proof course done again.
It just goes to show how some people really wouldn’t mind lying for a couple of quids.

nice article…潮湿问题的源头就是不通风。。赞成观点

9楼那个例子,如果有rendering的话,大多用的是水泥,是不透气的。如果有裂缝的话,外面的水渗入屋内,出不去,就造成了damp。

举个例子,好比你穿的雨衣有个缝,水进来了。你不能脱掉雨衣,你本身会出汗(相当于你在家里做饭,淋浴),外面经常下雨,你里外都潮湿。你能怎么办?

一,你脱掉雨衣,下雨的时候你是潮湿的,但是晴天的时候,风一吹,你会干的。这叫透气。
二,你不脱雨衣,你在雨衣前后左右开口,造成空气对流。这叫通风。

谢谢
我现在想另外找一家公司报damp proof course加复原墙壁和橱柜全包的价格,中介不给时间了,威胁说要把房子放回去卖:cn14:

谢谢,很有用!

谢谢你:)

问了中介说应该没有做过damp proof course,而且这个房子四年前转手的时候比隔壁的两个房子价格低了50k,虽然现在的房主说是房子状态很差,有间房差不多是裸砖什么的,还是担心有什么大问题啊:cn14:

恭喜你买到了喜欢的房子 :cn08:

好生动的比喻 :cn08:

我觉得如果透气和通风能够解决问题是最好

请问rendering到底是啥意思啊,google了还是不很明白,“ a surface covering to the external façade of buildings”?

Bu xie:cn13:

Maybe you could get another damp proof company to inspect the property and give a quote if you’re really concerned. Just ask for another viewing and bring the tradesmen along.
I’m not a building expert but I think it’s hard to know the scale of the problem and how treatable it is without seeing the property.

If I were you I’d attack the vendor with the surveyor’s quote. But you’re the only one to decide whether and how you’re going to bargain (did the price of the property already reflect the current state of it? How much do you like it otherwise? And etc).

We were fortunate to have been allowed some time to do some works as we’re not using the house as our main residence.
BTW the company did our damp proofing asked to come back to the house two weeks after the works were done to have a final inspection to see if the works were satisfactory. In case you’re going to have the damp proof done check with your tradesmen about their schedule to make sure it fits in your whole redecoration scheme.

Good luck with everything! :slight_smile:

Wall Rendering
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wall+rendering&safe=active&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMI8snJ_vORxwIVhsyACh2IlwaT&biw=1920&bih=979

Damp有很多原因,也有很多处理方法。但是damp proof course作用甚微,甚至不起作用。

Many thanks, much appreciated :slight_smile:

The EA called today saying the vendor would give an allowance of 4k for repairs (compairing to 15k estimated by the surveyor) on the condition that exchanging before the end of this month. I need to confirm with him today, otherwise they would put the property back on the market. If the vendor indeed wants a quick exchange, putting it back on the market won’t help, the new buyer will still face the damp problem. I am thinking of asking for 6k deduction, any suggestions?

It seems that I am not as lucky as you - EA would not give more time for quotation etc, maybe I just take a risk?

谢谢,那中文是抹灰吗?:lol

中介说房主同意降4k作为修理费用,虽然报告上的修理费用估价是15k

纠结中:shutup:

I’d say go for it.
The worst case scenario is that they’ll come back and say no to offering more than 4k. But what’s there for you to lose?
It sounds like the vendor is keen for a quick exchange (to secure the next property), as you said.
Again you’re the only person to make the best judgement.
Without knowing much further about your deal my advice is to stick to your gun as much as possible but also consider if you would be happy with the £4k offer.