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四个字:死磕到底

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不懂,帮顶!这种纠纷还没遇到过,不过说真的,如果你只是损失了几百一千的话,只有自认倒霉,因为数目太小警察不管,找律师的话又不值。
我在英国十多年,大小装修都不下几十次(买过三次房,大装修都搞过三次,)不过每次都是装修觉得满意了才付钱。所以没有纠纷。
而且,我装修从来不写合同,但可能装修工都是熟人介绍的,挺好的。

这个事情没有主意,最怕和人吵架,别说和人吵,看到街上有人在吵架我都会紧张。

gumtree上骗子太多了。

我认识的鬼佬煤气工、电工和一些搞装修的,都没有在Gumtree, MyBuilder or RatedPeople上招揽活的。换句话上,你在Gumtree上能找到水平高的师傅的可能性很小。

http://www.互联网.co.uk/blog/blog_2.htm#02

英国施工队的潜规则?

求助:装修方加价 6000! (这是一个另外论坛上的原创帖,这里不让贴链接)

建筑装修业经常发生这样的事情,已经成了一个习惯,或者好听一点说是个文化了。为什么会是这样?

楼主这个例子,2.1万的价格是偏便宜的。如果这个装修工头一开始就要2.7万,估计他在当时的几个竞争者中就拿不到这个项目了,因为别人有报价比2.7万低的。有些不错的工头,拿不到也就拿不到了,再想法去拿别的项目吧,半途无理加价,对正派人来说,确实是个很难开口的事情。但是有些人就不是这样了,先拿下来工程再说吧。一旦开工,东家就很难说换人就能换人的,到时候再加价吧,反正这辈子也就跟你这个东家打着一次交道,得罪你也没有什么,干活是不能不挣的。就是真的半路撤出,他们还是有半程盈利,工程前期都是拿钱多的时候。

鬼佬这样刀架脖子上要加钱的很多,中国人的施工队还算可以。这样的例子看多了,我现在倾向认为这是个通常的做法。你东家不是要报价低吗?那么好,我就先给你报个不高的价格,拿下来工程。施工中,东家是一辈子第一次干这样的工程,肯定有想不到的地方。或者说,就是合同签了一个论文厚又能有什么约束,想加价的理由多的是,看脸皮厚不厚了。所以施工工程中的加价,也是行业的“正常”过程了。

那么做为东家还能怎么办?换人?比继续让他们做更贵。不加价?工地就那么放着。打官司?没有人帮助你举证,法官不懂细节,赢的概率不大。想赢,就需要找好律师和好建筑师,比加的价格更贵。

甭说个人家了,举国瞩目的大工程怎么样?温布利大球场和苏格兰议会大厦,都是追加了几倍最初的预算才完成了的。

结论就是没有办法,这是个建筑装修业的通病。所以找施工队,要找朋友介绍的,和找中国施工队。所以,这样的帖子多些也好,把鬼佬们的潜规则都曝光一下。

我跟不论是英国人的还是中国人的装修队打交道很多了。我经常跟中国东家讲,不是我们中国施工队有多么好,而是相对比起来,是鬼佬的施工队有多么差,就显的中国施工队不错了。

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mm是大意了啊。这个一定要做完然后你验收完觉得ok才给钱啊。我家装修bathroom的时候在网上发帖征人的。一开始来了个英国人,看完后给了一个quota,我擦,走后我gg立马说自己铺地砖算了。后来又找了个波兰人,先商议价格,同意后就开始干活了,速度效率都不错。钱是做完然后我们验收完当场给的。我们也没订什么合同也就是短信记录。反正英国self-employed的这些装修工都好贵啊。

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自认倒霉吧,500不是很多,要告就去Her Majesty’s County Court, 时间漫长

从来不去GUMTREE。

谢谢亲爱的MM你好运,我就是没有经验以为这里都是好人不会出现太麻烦的事
以后长记性了一定不能先给钱!

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谢谢你。以后长教训了再也不去gumtree看广告了

你提了两次你的“朋友”,结果你“朋友”的两次建议害你不浅。第一次朋友说不用签合同,结果被木头问到你脸上"Do you have paper works", 第二次朋友说都是分期付款的,实际上别人都是验完合格才付款,又坑了你。我汗啊! 你这是神马朋友啊。 我可以说你交友不慎吗?

哎,主要也是自己大意经验不足。

下次小心點,當學個經驗巴,500不多不少,但打官司都不止花500了,

去 watch dog 曝光他,省时,省事,还除了害。

有短信证据就可以。

Top tips
Be very careful about taking on a builder who:

•offers very cheap quotes or estimates - this could mean they are a cowboy, or could not be experienced enough to give accurate figures
•is unwilling to put a quote or estimate in writing – this could mean they don’t intend to stick to it
•is unwilling to offer references
•is too keen to start the job straight away - cowboy builders often do lots of work in one area before moving out of the area altogether. They often leave very poor or unfinished work behind and are impossible to track down
•is unwilling to offer you details about their business – for example an address or landline number
•claims to be in a trade association when they are not - you should always check if the builder does belong to the trade association. If they don’t, it means they’re dishonest and probably committing a criminal offence
•claims to work for a company with a good reputation when they don’t - check they work for who they say they do. If they don’t, this means they’re dishonest and you’d be better off not using them
•doesn’t offer you a contract, or doesn’t sign the one you give them
•asks for money up front - a reliable builder won’t ask you to do this, not even if they need materials. If they run a business, they should have enough money to cover these costs themselves and only ask for payment once they’ve completed the job, or done a reasonable amount of work
•gives a detailed quote and schedule of work but then not follow it
•doesn’t charge VAT when they should - if they are a small or new trader, they may not need to register or pay VAT. It depends on how much work they do in a year. If they should be registered, they could be avoiding paying it, to save money and charge less than others. This is dishonest and against the law
•only accepts cash - if a builder only offers to accept a cash payment, they could be acting dishonestly by saving on paying out for VAT

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这种的英国人也不少被骗的。。。英国有一个节目叫cowboy builder.
就是类似于这样的案例。。。。这个节目上面好多还是有合同的也都无能为例呢
最后基本上都是再花了钱,找了最靠铺的给装修好了。。。