求教怎么对付房东?

罚款1到3倍,具体多少法官判。

这里有一个案例,protect deposit晚了,tenant告了landlord,county court法官判赔1倍,tenant不满意到high court上诉,高等法院驳回了上诉。
http://nearlylegal.co.uk/2015/04/deposits-penalties-and-discretions/
Okadigbo & Anor v Chan & Anor [2014] EWHC 4729 (QB)

When awarding a penalty for breach of the Section 213 Housing Act 204 requirements for tenancy deposits, the court has a discretion over the amount of penalty under section 214

“(4) The court must . . . order the landlord to pay to the applicant a sum of money [not less than the amount of the deposit and not more than] three times the amount of the deposit within the period of 14 days beginning with the date of the making of the order.”

There are no statutory factors set out for the exercise of that ‘between 1 and 3 times the amount of the deposit’ discretion.

So, what factors can, or should, a Court consider?

This was a counterclaim for a deposit penalty in a claim for possession and arrears of rent. At first instance, the Circuit Judge had found a breach of s.213 and had awarded the tenants, Mr O and another, a penalty of one times the deposit.

The tenancy had started and the deposit received on 1 August 2012, for a 12 month term. The deposit was protected, but not until 5 March 2013, and the prescribed information was provided later still, on 8 July 2013. The breach by way of late protection and late service of the prescribed information was admitted.

The Circuit Judge’s reasoning for the size of the penalty was:

“the Defendant seeks a penalty pursuant to Sections 213 to 215 of the Housing Act 2004. Section 214(4) provides that in the event of a breach, and here the breach is admitted, I must award the Defendant a sum of money not less than the amount of the deposit and not more than three times the deposit. The Defendant contends for the maximum sum which would be three times £1,520, a sum of £4,560. The Claimant contends for one month’s rent in the sum of £1,520. I find that the Claimants are not experienced landlords, that this is the first time that they had let out any property and that they were letting out their home. That they quite properly put the matter in the hands of professional managing agents who let them down by not complying with the terms of the Act. I find this case to be at the lowest end of the scale of culpability for non-compliance. And for those reasons I award the sum of £1,520.”

The tenants appealed to the High Court. Their argument was that the Judge exercised the discretion wrongly, placing undue weight on the inexperience of the landlords when set against a serious failure to comply with the deposit requirements for a considerable period of time.

“He [Counsel for the appellants] recognised realistically that there was a degree of mitigation in that the breach had been admitted and that there was in the event full compliance, albeit only after a period of delay. He contended that the discretion of the judge should, therefore, be set aside and that the appropriate order would be a multiple of twice the appropriate amount of rent.”

The High Court dismissed the appeal.

“The judge was entitled to regard the question of culpability as the most relevant factor in determining what order to make and was entitled to find that the culpability in this case fell at the lowest end of the scale for the reasons which she gave. It is not as if the breach was uncorrected and therefore, although the appellants were lacking the protection for a period of some months, in the end matters were put right.”

Comment

I suspect this will not come as a surprise to any of us, except possibly the appellants in this case. There is effectively an unconstrained discretion for the court, within the 1 to 3 times penalty, and culpability of the landlord (or agent), together with protection prior to the tenant raising the issue, was always going to be a factor.

Though if it was the agents handling the deposit, I would have though that the tenants could also have brought a claim against them, as ‘the person who appears to be holding the deposit’. (Draycott & Draycott -v- Hannells Letting Limited [2010] EWHC 217 (QB) ). And professional agents messing up in this way could surely expect far less generosity in the exercise of the discretion. Likewise, experienced landlords.

That said, it may be that the High Court places too much emphasis on the deposit having been eventually protected. As we noted back in the pre Localism Act days of Gladehurst v Hashemi, the purpose of the legislation was indeed to punish landlords who did not comply. The Localism Act amendments made clear that late protection was not adequate. But it is, clearly, open to the court to decide that the punishment could be restricted to a 1x deposit penalty on the basis of findings on culpability.

我去年10月退房,到现在押金都没要回来。找仲裁好久的,而且要提供好多好多材料。

我问个问题 你们签的合同有witness的签字吗? 如果没有你们的合同无效

弄坏boiler太便宜他拉,我建议你直接把房子烧了。告诉他是自燃的,多过瘾。

其实你需要和房东沟通好,避免以后上法庭,双方都麻烦。

.问房东有没有把押金放到第三方,如果有,他需要给你书面证明的,这样你就可以放心了。如果没有,要求他放到第三方,否则有三倍的罚款。房东肯定担心你把事情闹大. 提前警告比事后起诉要实际的多。

楼主好不厚道。

以后 离印度阿差远点。 不管是 房东, 中介,还是修车的。 通过法律途径太麻烦了 , 而且会额外 多出很多想不到的费用。

押金 看样子是要不回来了。 可以 最后一个月直接走人。 不用理他。

你可以 在他那边住两个月 不交房租。 超过两个月。他才可以通过法律途径 让你走。

boiler 的事你自己看吧。。。。 boiler break down 好像跟我们没关系吧 。:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

你搬到新地方以后 也可以投诉他。 把他的 detail 记下 就好。

最简单的办法就是写封邮件告诉他这个需要修,那个需要换,然后就不交房租了。

租房时一进屋,就把所有地方照一遍相,找找哪坏了,然后发邮件或者短信,书面等告知房东,这些都不是你的责任,搬走时再照一次相,如果房东说啥要你负责的,找相片出来看看是不是你弄坏的

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屁股歪了,麻烦别发挥你的想象力了。

我就说两点对明显的:
(1)我之前说了房东三天两头跑来叽叽歪歪的么。你觉得三天两头查次房的房东,房子情况再差能差到什么程度?
(2)你要明白,扣完老室友的钱之后,我和新室友还是继续住这个房子里的啊。半年了啊,接下来卫生还不是我和新室友在干。房东去年9月扣完钱可是什么都没管的。真要说哪里脏了,哪里坏了,他扣了钱为啥半年了不请人来弄呢?

另外,学校周围不比别的区域出租,烘干机冰箱这些都是要的。这么多年租房子,包括周围朋友同事的租房,我从来没听说过没烘干的情况。如果不是我们好说话,房东这房子没烘干机基本租不出去。你读书的经验在我这快地方并不适用。

最近我们自己买房了,之后也是打算住一段时间放租,做过不少功课的。我说的这个市场情况,我相信我比你有发言权。

我为什么要租,我已经说了,如果不是去年退房房东闹这么恶心,过了我们底线,别的我们好说话的。
但闹出这事情来的时候,我下一年合同已经签了,新房客的下一年押金也付了,懂?

最后,合着房东自己耍流氓,我想个招儿,还是我“满脑子想什么鬼”。你难道不知道,忍狠滚三字真诀么?只有流氓才能对付流氓。
麻烦收起你那付不接地气的圣母嘴脸行不?

。。。。。确实没witness签字。。。不过学校的模板上,也没这一栏。

那合同无效什么概念?是要求房东返还押金,还是什么?

另外,我们手上一把房租收据和押金收据。这算是事实合同了吧?类似于事实婚姻?

求教,谢谢啦

没事,他现在放也来不及了,放第三方,要合同开始后30天内。而且还要告知我们,还有人确认信要我们签的。现在都半年了,他什么也没干。

我觉得我已经很厚道了。这年头,不拖欠押金,正常维护房子,不斤斤计较,已经好租客了好不。

之前我不想扯讲不清的卫生问题,所以没讲太细。这里讲下两点最明显的,
(1)我之前说了房东三天两头跑来侵犯隐私。你想想,三天两头查次房的房东,房子情况再差能差到什么程度?
(2)扣完老室友的钱之后,我和新室友还是继续住这个房子里的。半年了,接下来卫生都是我和新室友在干。房东去年9月扣完钱可是什么都没管的。真要说哪里脏了,哪里坏了,他扣了钱为啥半年了不请人来弄呢?

所以我只能从今年开始和他斤斤计较了。

你把几件事情搅合到一起说,所以看贴的有些人不太理解你了,你把事情分开成几件事情来说那就清楚多了。最主要的是把ungoing problem和deposit problem分开。

第一件事:“东西坏了拖很长时间不来修的问题”。你给他一个时间期限来修,不来修你告诉他你自己找人修费用从房租扣除。

第二件事:“房东三天两头跑来侵犯隐私”,你告诉他如果他需要来检查房子除了emergency那必须提前24小时通知,另外如果没有特殊理由那每三个月来检查一次,不然的话你认为是harassment,你可以报警。

第三件事:“房子里面没有烘干机”,这个你们看房子的时候不就得说清楚嘛,没有烘干机你们也租了不就是因为你们觉得房租便宜嘛,既然你们已经接受房子的条件,那也就没有什么可以抱怨的了。

第四件事:“押金和DPS的问题”,你搬的时候打扫好别给他理由扣押金,如果到时候他不退押金那你再和他走法律程序,你要回全部押金再加罚款的可能性非常大的。

你说的把boiler搞坏,搞不搞是你的选择,但做人不必要这样,损人不利己的事情还是别做吧。:cn14:

第二件事:“房东三天两头跑来侵犯隐私”,你告诉他如果他需要来检查房子除了emergency那必须提前24小时通知,另外如果没有特殊理由那每三个月来检查一次,不然的话你认为是harassment,你可以报警。

不一定。这个像是unliceinsed HMO student let,房东进入shared area -厨房,客厅等是不需要提前通知的

你说的也对,关键看房子是怎么租的。

如果是几个学生合起来把整个房子租下来,那房东不能随便进来。

但如果每个学生分开和房东租房间那房东随便进入房子就没有问题了。

房东房客,在英国从来都是一个公说公有理婆说婆有理的关系~~~~大家的利益点不同嘛。
规规矩矩,能走法律的就不要嫌麻烦坚持走,否则就默默花钱当买耳根清静,破坏东西啥的还是算了。

具体参照政府网站的合同模板及注意事项 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/496722/Model_Agreement_for_an_Assured_Shorthold_Tenancy_and_Accompanying_Guidance.pdf

一般住房合同都会写:

Tenancy Agreement (unfurnished or furnished property)
Assured Shorthold Tenancy
Under Part 1 of the Housing Act 1988 as amended by the Housing Act 1996

另外房东自己保存押金是不合规的,法律规定为了保护房东和房客双方利益,押金应由第三方保管,即DPS https://www.depositprotection.com/

如果你需要寻求帮助,请找你本地的shelter 参见http://www.shelter.org.uk/,他们会帮你解决住房纠纷给你建议等等

witness签字了才算有效合同,否则废纸一张

另外,没有提前给你notice就去你租的房子,你有权不让他进去。因为你的权益受到保护,即You have the right to enjoy your property peacefully. 即便你们
协议24小时的提前通知,但你要是回复他你不愿意他来你的房子而他来了,你也可拒绝他进入。

最后奉劝一句,你占理多的话就走正常途径解决问题,千万别给他房子(财产)造成破坏和损失。

我和房东这边也是出现很多问题,房东也是应该没有交到那个scheme,因为我并没有收到任何需要签字的letter. 由于现在房东的各种黑心,所以我现在拒绝交房租半个月了,因为我怕我越他钱越亏。请问这种我拒绝交房租情况下,我还可以收到保护吗?
另外我和他合同也是没有witness,.这样的话,合同作废吗?那我该怎么办?谢谢啦!