脱欧: 哪个结果最可能?

剛說炸彈咋就炸呢?炸彈炸彈,北愛土著的最愛 {:5_130:}

当年贝尔法斯特协议确立了人员自由流动不设硬边界的保障人权原则,现在商量着弄个硬边界,肯定会被拿来搞事啊,这是英国最怕的。

A deal is better than no deal. 英國人不夠團結。

当年辛亥条约也被叫做个 deal :cn10:

May的deal出来的时候我就觉得brexiters应该会支持May的deal断了remainer的念想。

他们总算是明白过来了。

Brexiteers are starting to regret voting down Theresa May’s deal so decisively
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/brexit-theresa-may-deal-regrets/
Brexiter是desperate了,Boris Johnson都骂出Fuck business.这样的话了。 {:5_138:}

好像有个成语叫朝三暮四。原意是说,养猴子的人给猴儿们说现在栗子不多,每天早上给各猴每猴3个,晚上4个。猴群大燥,又抗议又滚地撒泼的。主人过一天再来说,猴儿们,那就每天早上4个栗子,晚上3个栗子吧!群猴欢呼啊!主人英明!我们接受这个deal!

今天Mogg的讲话给了梅姨一个甜枣,说别指望联合其他党,因为肯定凑不够数,还是靠我们和DUP吧。
但紧接着也将了一军,必须把backstop从法律意义上去掉,否则还是不行。
然后今天EU也不断反反复复,之前还敢说no deal的话,北爱边界检查EU要去enforce,今天又说要找可行的方法(爱尔兰和UK都咬死不去设卡,EU还能派EU army去设卡?)
不过最后总算帮梅姨说了句话,就是下周ed balls老婆的no deal bill 即使通过也不能保证no deal不发生

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/23/michel-barnier-warns-against-time-limited-irish-backstop

总之下周接着看戏 :cn09:

梅首相现在就拖着啥也不做就行,硬脱欧也不见得是坏事,现在这个协议脱欧也不见得比硬脱欧好哪去。拖到三月底所有事情就迎刃而解。其实英国脱欧对欧盟打击很大,英国脱欧对比利时影响最大,比利时gdp有百分之十几来自对英出口,像荷兰西班牙这些对英国出口大国也会受很大打击,硬脱以后,这些国家都是会急着跟英国谈判的。

硬脱等着英镑贬值,房价下跌,物价上涨,利率房贷上涨吧

硬脱加了关税后看看会有多少企业倒闭

[quote=“johhn, post: 227, topic: 2937526”]
johhn 发表于 2019-1-24 04:01
今天Mogg的讲话给了梅姨一个甜枣,说别指望联合其他党,因为肯定凑不够数,还是靠我们和DUP吧。
但紧接着 …[/quote]

现在的bluff越来越升级了,筹码嘛,似乎双方还忍着。
就看谁要放飞自我:cn10:

看来球老婆的bill通过可能性非常大
https://uk.reuters.com/article/britain-sterling-open/sterling-rises-above-1-3-on-bets-no-deal-brexit-can-be-averted-idUKL8N1ZN27Z

就是下周ed balls老婆的no deal bill 即使通过也不能保证no deal不发生

越来越搞不清楚政治家的豪言壮语

发现智商和CPU不升级越来越不够用,就像Jason Bourne里面的asset计算阻击路线的高速量子计算一样。各种可能性纷繁复杂,各种流派各种声音不绝于耳。

好处就是game’s on. All the options are open, wide open.

大开大落的局面大家都爱看:cn15:

虽然说吃瓜看戏不嫌事大,但对于英国充满信心。

戴维斯说的话蛮有道理,老戴政治家的风范,可惜老戴当不了主席:cn10:

趁着比特币矿机行情不好,赶快买几台高档的用来算脱欧各种概率 :cn08:

The group of senior MEPs, led by the former Belgian prime minister Guy Verhofstadt, says it expects “greater clarity next week from the UK on its position on the EU-UK relationship for the future”.

Under the backstop, the UK would stay in a customs union with the EU unless an alternative arrangement could avoid the imposition of a hard border on the island of Ireland.

In her statement to the Commons on Monday, May had said she would seek further concessions from Brussels having acknowledged that a large number of Conservative and Democratic Unionist party MPs “fear that we could be trapped in it”.

The Tory MP and Brexiter Andrew Murrison has resubmitted a “sunset clause” amendment in the Commons, which offers support for May’s deal if the backstop can be time-limited to the end of 2021.

It is believed that the prime minister may encourage Tory MPs to back the amendment next week if the Speaker, John Bercow, chooses to put it to a vote, then return to Brussels with “proof” of what is needed to get the deal through, should it pass.

Barnier told the European media outlets that he did not believe this was the key to success in parliament.

“Things could start moving rapidly”, Barnier said. “This depends on the future relationship, like I already said. We are ready to be more ambitious if the British decide to shift their red lines, for example by remaining in a customs union, or participating in the single market. I believe there is a readiness in London for that.”

其实仔细品味觉得双方都挺可爱的,嘴里喊着给我滚,手里却紧紧地握着对方的手好像回到十八九,含情脉脉。升级CPU可以解决理性问题,但解决不了非理性问题。对方是小鹿乱撞还是涂了胭脂水粉机器判断不出来会当机或死循环的:cn09:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/23/michel-barnier-warns-against-time-limited-irish-backstop

经济学上,你说的这些也不是一定是坏事。经济上最怕不确定性,脱欧久拖不定,这才对经济打击最大,最后被拖死。真硬脱也没那么可怕,哪怕真全没了,也可从头再来,再造辉煌不是。脱欧的带来的好处以后就是实实在在的硬实力。

硬脱也不减少不确定性啊。而且好些年都没法弥补损失的和家门口欧盟之间的贸易。

硬脱欧总之先付一个很大的经济成本,将来会不会受益说不定。

硬脱的不确定性是正向的,也就是说首先人们对硬脱的预期是硬脱就啥都没了,然后硬脱完了发现还剩了不少,而且之后每谈下一个deal就是一份额外收获,那心气儿肯定不一样,经济学上叫触底反弹。

将来受不受益一是取决于自己争不争气,二是取决于欧盟,欧盟越完蛋英国就越受益,现在看欧盟是肯定要完蛋的,这也是英国决心脱欧的原因。

你还真是乐观啊