[讨论] western views of china, P17 how to improve ways of generating energy

海外生活
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i have summarised some of my feelings towards how the west perceive china... i am by no means an extreme leftie, but there have just been incidences where i strongly do not agree with western stereotypical views of china... so since it is currently china week on the bbc... i've summarised some things that have been on my mind...

i would like to argue as someone who has spent a long time in england, that western people should not judge china by western standards... because we have completely different backgrounds / history etc. so therefore the two completely different worlds should not be compared to each other.

from western views, they think that we're less developed and less civilised... which to some extent i do agree, like the degree of corruption which is apparent in china... but that's a result of greed in humanity... the ruling of the government should not be blamed for this...

western people also say that chinese people are not given the right to choose their government, that the chinese government is not democratic. but i would like to argue that a country with such a huge population, how can it stand changing government and legislations every four years or so? it will only bring instability, chaos, and disillusion to the chinese economy.

and as for human rights issues ( or animal rights, or evironmental issues) i would just like to tell those people who pick out the so called "holes"... 哪凉快哪儿呆着去。。。
surely human rights (let alone animal rights) should come after improving the standard of living of chinese people. ok i do agree to some extent with some of these issues (like animal cruety), but if the only thing to keep a human being alive from starvation, is to eat his dog... what's wrong with eating the dog?

many western people make fun of the chinese dietary habbits, namely eating dogs... to me these people are just stupid, i mean if sheep can to reared for wool and goats can be reared for meat, then why can't dogs be reared for meat as well? i've never eaten dogs or cats before, but i don't object to the idea of eating them. people become emotionally attached to their pets, but rearing dogs so that they can produce meet is no more sick than rearing pigs for the pork... so what is the big fuss?

there is this stereotypical view of china in western countries, often because of the biased broadcasting of the worse parts or aspects of china, such as the poor villages or the repeated reference to the events that happened on the 4th of june (the cultural revolution), these images have stayed in the western minds; what they do not know is that we have progressed since then, and we have and are now taking the next step. again with a country of this size, it's difficult to make things happen over night, and we as chinese people should acknowledge that, and appreciate the efforts made by the government.

there are so many things that western people do not yet know about counties with complex and ancient history (such as china) that they really should not comment on the way our society is... because they don't fully understand how we got to be the way we are...

i must say that i am patriotic, and i must admit that china's economy is not the most strong at the moment, but i have hopes...

you are all welcome to contribute your views in our discussion... whether it is to support my views or to argue against my views. whether in english or chinese... i've been thinking about these issues for some time... so any views contributed will be great. thanks.



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[ 编辑者 paigewen 于日期 13Mar05 ]
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我占座儿了，先去猪了，明天再顶你喽！

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占个座

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既然没人，在占一个

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于 2005-03-11 09:25, piggypig 写:

既然没人，在占一个




那我也再占一个

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咳~ 那个。。。占了座儿的。。。要自觉回来发言哈~

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sf

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I want to say, the culture of eating dog came from Korea originally. do not blame on China,



I’ve been to Paris, you can see dead rabbit meat or even deer’s meat in every butcher’s shop. you can eat snail in every restaurant.



therefore, as long as you don’t eat human, that’s fine, all the rest can be eaten

English people are very officious, they are stupid, my English friends told me that his father eat horses and deers, so why can’t we eat dog, dog is our friend, what about horse?



[ 编辑者 Lavender 于日期 11Mar05 ]

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于 2005-03-11 09:37, Lavender 写:

I want to say, the culture of eating dog came from Korea originally. do not blame on China,



I’ve been to Paris, you can see dead rabbit meat or even deer’s meat in every butcher’s shop. you can eat snail in every restaurant.



therefore, as long as you don’t eat human, that’s fine, all the rest can be eaten

English people are very officious, they are stupid, my English friends told me that his father eat horses and deers, so why can’t we eat dog, dog is our friend, what about horse?



western peope often misunderstand the chinese dietary habbits,this is often caused by ignorance and prejudice...

even tho i've not eaten dogs or cats or horses... but i agree with you... if these are reared for meat... then what's wrong with eating them?
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They think we are crazy, I say they are stupid…There is a huge difference between two cultures. How can they view with their standard…

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楼主写的???

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yeah there is a huge difference, while it’s great that the west is getting to know china, they should not judge china based on western standards.

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朝鲜人比中国人更残忍，中国人只是随便杀一条狗就吃，朝鲜人先把狗养大了~然后再宰杀吃掉~如果是我，我真的下不了嘴~

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once i was talking to a taxi driver who was very interested in china and would love to visit china, but what he couldn’t forgive was that the Massacre happened in Tiananmen Square in 1989 that several students were killed by the china army force. as we know that the western media broadcast the event in the live tv, and most western people was totally shocked by the scene.

actually, i didn’t know much about what really happen in the Massacre, because what i was taught in the history calss was only a student uprise against some of the governers.



BBC is still talking about this as a strong evidence against the china’s human rights development…



there are much more to talk about in this issue, and i believe that must be a friend of yours has seriously asked u about this.



what do you think of?



here is the webpage from BBC about the Massacre in Tiananmen Square:



BBC ON THIS DAY | 4 | 1989: Massacre in Tiananmen Square

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Yep I agree. Western countries do not know enough about China. They just conclude from their point of view, which is just nonsense since we don’t even belong in the same dimension.



Ok through globalization and china joining the world trade organization, we can see that china is opening up, which is good, it helps the economy. Money is the most important thing for a country, so the chinese government is right, doing everything for the sake of economy. This of course brings a lot of pollution and so the west criticizes. See that is just unfair, prejudice. America didn’t join the Kayoto pact and what did western country say about that? America is the richest country in the world and why can’t they just be a bit friendlier to the environment?



IMO China is managing the environment quite good. What happened in England during the industrial revolution? When its economy boomed? I’m sure you’ve all heard that London is the city of fog? FOG? Yes, pollutants from chimneys.





And London recovered now. The environment heals itself pretty quick, (this is proven because for example, nature cleaned oil leaks near Pembrokeshire in about a year, blowing the leaked oil into fine particles so they react with other particles in air and soil forming new harmless particles.) so damaging the environment now in china doesn’t necessary mean dooms day. And anyway, with more money there will be more funding for people to research into environmental issues and help the environment to recover quickly, that’s even better.

The British government’s view towards China is certainly much better now. This is because Britain is more and more dependent of China now, they just can’t afford not to be friendly. Looking around shops, what is not made in China? Recently Rover Company, moved to Shanghai. Lots of companies are investing in China. Without permission what would they do? Stay in England and loose money because every-so-often the unsatisfied British workers go on a strike asking for higher wage? All I can see is that Western Governments are just selling their ‘faces and politeness’ so that they can trade or invest in China for their own interests. That is quite reasonable, since it’s our nature to improve quality of life etc. However, if the western government is reliant on China, then why the prejudice? The media often shows whatever is bad in china, not the good things, so that they can convey the Western Country China is still backward, uncivilized or ‘gone too far’ See there was a programme about china last year, and my friend JP recorded it. What was’t about? It was about Chinese punks or people with nothing to do sticking up their middle finger all the time saying ‘f*ck da government” in obscure accent. And what impression will that have? China’s full of unsasfied people? Chinese government failed to make everyone happy? We if only we took videos of western vandalism, griffitism, townies, binge drinkers etc, Chinese would think the west in uncivilized. In fact the West, (dunno about America but let’s say Britian), is portrayed far better than reality. The media broadcasts the British upper class, gentlemen wearing suits, ladies in proper dress, and that made us think Britain is very civilized. It’s only after coming to Britain, we find that Britain has a much more severe social problem. I.E, anti-social behaviours are just around every corners of every town!



About the diet, I only agree 50% Yes eating dog is no different than eating pig. However, I think if a vegetarian says eating dog is wrong, than it’s fully justified.



About human right, hmm, I think human right is relative. There are no absolute this has human right or this hasn’t. It all depends. I think as long as people are happy and feel no political pressure, than whether he or she has so called ‘human right’ considered by the West does not matter. Westerners might argue that China should have more freedom, etc. In most cases, human abuses freedom. Such as anti-social behaviours in UK again. I mean wtf? Police not allowed to injure children? So with the government taking control, there will be less crime etc. I.E there was hardly any crime in Mao’s time. Sadly the government is taking less and less control. See no matter what the westerners say, most Chinese are happy with the government, even the poor farmers. As long as have proper food 3 times a day, proper drink, proper cloths and reasonable accommodation, they will be satisfied. In fact Chinese farmers are the most tolerant. Yes there will always be the odds who hate the government, perhaps some misfortune in their life, or perhaps they are really been treated unfairly, but for the majority, the government is ok. So why should the westerners complain?



Yeh China is not perfect. Nothing in this world if perfect. Corruptions do occur, and here I’m talking about many they never end, as has been a Chinese custom for about 2000 years now, it can’t be erased easily. There are also other bad things for which I’m not going to list. However, as long as the majority people is happy, than the government is okay.



See I’m actually proud china didn’t join the so called ‘anti-terrorism’ war because Chinese government want a more stable, prosperous China instead of the China that just follows the footpath of the West.



[ 编辑者 lightningraider 于日期 12Mar05 ]

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“you chinese people are tooooo smart”,“you chinese people always work so hard”,“your parents must force you to do such and such things”,“china is poor”,“chinese people are always isolated, and think they are the best”…



okay, those are some stereotypes that i’ve heard from people around me (when they first knew me i meant, when they totally don’t know me yet),okay,some people who know a lot, their views are more justice; and vice-versa. But after a while, i mean the people around me (especially my friends), because of i let them know more about China (things like talking about it,showing them my pictures, tell them China is actually not so different from America…),and i think they like me to be their friend because they are interested in Chinese culture, since usually, USUALLY, they think China is still old, not modern at all,due to the class (globle history) they are taking. I mean they’ve never been to China, so…no wonder!

well…gotta get ready for our international dinner now!!



oh yea,see,we have the International Dinner thing tonight, and I,ME,is going to represent China,so…i will be good,and make them shocked!

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Have a great time then!



we will be proud of you here!

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totally agree with light’s view on pollution…



the developing countries should not be made to folow the global regulations regarding controlling the level of pollution (some sort of cap) because industrialisation is an absolute necessity in development. it is therefore unfair if developing countries have to reduce their level of pollution, since the more developed countries contributed to the pollution problem a long time ago…

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学潮发生在1989年6月4号,并不是■■.还有如果英国人再不老实,我要红烧狗肉,还有拿英国人肉当配料.我个人认为6.4学潮中国政府是在万般无奈的情况下才作出的决定,而且当时解放军死的也很残,有的甚至被学生活活烧死.我试问英国政府,如果上千名学生做在Buckingham Palace一个星期，怎么劝也不离开的话，他们会怎么做？？？？